tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15014874.post4613459579221433096..comments2024-01-17T16:08:11.961-06:00Comments on Bad Ben's Ramblings: Thoughts of ChicagoBen, aka BadBenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00686400413182985272noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15014874.post-91654693046449198812012-12-14T08:48:30.751-06:002012-12-14T08:48:30.751-06:00I Like your blog,will sharing this with my friends...I Like your blog,will sharing this with my friends, excellent work.<br /><a href="http://www.xinix.co.uk/cheap-business-calls-deals-installation-phone-line-packages/" rel="nofollow">business phone deals</a><br />business phone dealshttp://www.xinix.co.uk/cheap-business-calls-deals-installation-phone-line-packages/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15014874.post-41399969445370544772012-09-13T00:32:53.155-05:002012-09-13T00:32:53.155-05:00YES! I finally found this web page! I’ve been look...YES! I finally found this web page! 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Check it out and let me know your thoughts:<A HREF="http://www.bodybottle.com" REL="nofollow"> www.bodybottle.com</A>Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15178720681267432710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15014874.post-81434227106130834722007-10-12T07:25:00.000-05:002007-10-12T07:25:00.000-05:00You are completely right on this thread. Psycho Ps...You are completely right on this thread. Psycho Psummer 50km was the epitomy of heat and humidity. Everyone survived, although tough, but as dumb as the majority of people think we are for running such long distances, we at least have a few brain cells. I think for the most part, the huge number of marathon entrants.... so many of the runners are under trained, and unprepared. If you can't get it right on a marathon course where there is aid every step of the way practically, then something is wrong, hence.... train more!WynnManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02160579726657693895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15014874.post-21888794702919563672007-10-11T08:23:00.000-05:002007-10-11T08:23:00.000-05:00agreed. there were quite a few other marathons th...agreed. there were quite a few other marathons that weekend with the same heat factors and none of the problems.E-Speedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07569869104198800517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15014874.post-26374343932779200502007-10-10T23:41:00.000-05:002007-10-10T23:41:00.000-05:00I'll be there to do my 6th Rocky in a row...this y...I'll be there to do my 6th Rocky in a row...this year with a gaggle of Nerds.<BR/><BR/>I'll have a long-sleeve Trail Nerd shirt for you. It'll probably be cold and miserable, again.Ben, aka BadBenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00686400413182985272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15014874.post-24386830703016283222007-10-10T22:43:00.000-05:002007-10-10T22:43:00.000-05:00Ben, Thanks for the comments. I never know where t...Ben, Thanks for the comments. I never know where to respond from comments on my blog. Maybe you need to post that on your blog as well. Just in case I wrote here and on mine. And I have informed my wife that I'll be running Rocky again. I can't justify not running a 100 miler that's 30 minutes from my front door. Plus I have unfinished business there as well.Hey Zeushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18054610411888365949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15014874.post-1332334575489932202007-10-10T12:24:00.000-05:002007-10-10T12:24:00.000-05:00For those interested, there is also another marath...For those interested, there is also another marathon this Saturday in Ashland, Wisconsin, the Whistlestop, that is supposed to be a nice one.<BR/><BR/>I ran my first marathon this past Sunday, at the Twin Cities Marathon, where the weather was similar to Chicago but slightly less hot - they said they came within one and a half degrees of shutting it down, and I've heard from lots of people who have run many marathons and said they got their slowest times at this one.<BR/><BR/>I definitely agree on the need for people to be better prepared. Of the people I went with, one had not trained adequately, and - huge surprise - he is the only one of us who dropped out.<BR/><BR/>The only thing I realized, in the middle of the run, that I had not trained for was running in the hot sun - I did almost all my training on shady trails.<BR/><BR/>I went running again yesterday and it was 45 degrees, and I had to acclimate to sucking down the cold air. Quite a shift for two days apart!Bryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14303869061749009521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15014874.post-17010965451658686182007-10-09T14:06:00.000-05:002007-10-09T14:06:00.000-05:00Honestly, you've got to factor-in "the dumping quo...Honestly, you've got to factor-in "the dumping quotient" on hot days, if you're a race director.<BR/><BR/>At our (hot) races, we have extra ice and wet bandanas that we soak and give away, too. <BR/>More than a few (hot season) marathons, they enlist the help of National Guard water trucks to spray-down runners and restock water aid stations.<BR/>Many races use PVC water-misting arches for the runners to run through.<BR/>There are many solutions to this problem.<BR/><BR/>I ran Chicago in 1999. (It was a cold year). It was a fun, well-organized event, but I think it was overcrowded, even back then. A staggered (multiple) start, like what Bloomsday and other large races have moved to, might eliminate most of the issues that Chicago had, this year, by making for more of a steady, "digestible" flow of runners at the aid stations.<BR/><BR/>The Chicago Marathon will go on, and they will have learned from this year. They'll figure-out some strategies for success, I'm sure.Ben, aka BadBenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00686400413182985272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15014874.post-28837508172378299582007-10-09T13:47:00.000-05:002007-10-09T13:47:00.000-05:00Ben -You are correct, the EMT was overloaded which...Ben -<BR/>You are correct, the EMT was overloaded which may have been the main reason for shutting the race down. There could have been many more deaths if they didn't. With hindsight, yes, things could have been done differently and better. <BR/><BR/>For the water - they has 1.5 GALLONS per runner, but even that wasn't enough because the runners dumped huge amounts over their heads. Do you really supply 2 or 3 gallons per runner at your race? And would you have been able to tell Chicago that wasn't enough before the race began? The hot weather was known before hand, but for only about 4 days and obviously the severity wasn't known until after the race started. There's also conflicting stories about how much water was really out. I finished in 4 hours and all aid stations had 200 yards of cups on both sides of the road at all stations.<BR/><BR/>The 10,000 DNS's is the normal 20% that all marathons have. I don't know why it's always 20%, but you can count on it.<BR/><BR/>PhilAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15014874.post-40299533259889491182007-10-09T12:41:00.000-05:002007-10-09T12:41:00.000-05:00Lora,Ask and I will deliver.A buddy of mine has a ...Lora,<BR/>Ask and I will deliver.<BR/>A buddy of mine has a low-key flat (and certified) marathon on a crushed gravel trail on October 28, in Blue Springs, MO (near Kansas City). And they never run out of water, food, or good cheer.<BR/>It's a good Boston Qualifier.<BR/><A HREF="http://bsrun.com/blue_srpings_50_50.html" REL="nofollow">Blue Springs Larry Mattonen Marathon</A><BR/><BR/>Happy trails,<BR/><A HREF="http://badbenkc.blogspot.com/" REL="nofollow">Bad Ben</A>Ben, aka BadBenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00686400413182985272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15014874.post-12012225287945631502007-10-09T12:35:00.000-05:002007-10-09T12:35:00.000-05:00Anonymous,My point is that hundreds of runners rep...Anonymous,<BR/>My point is that hundreds of runners reported to EMTs and medical personnel, overloading the system for the few who needed hospitalization. (An old friend of mine was working as an EMT at the race). <BR/>Many of these runners were probably not bad-off, they just "felt bad" due to hypotension (typical low blood pressure issues with heat) and cramping (due to low-electrolyte balance). These symptoms with inexperienced newbies can overload a race's medical response in a hurry. Now imagine if the 10,000 DNSers had been in the race, too.<BR/><BR/>And yes, many races have run out of water at aid stations. In a small race, just a few of the back of the packers suffer, but by the next aid station there is usually water stocked. At Chicago the MIDDLE OF THE PACK runners ran out of water...which amplified the severity of the problem, and like dominoes, totalled the race.<BR/>This hasn't happened at a race this big since the first Rock 'N Roll marathon in San Diego, as far as I know.<BR/><BR/>- BenBen, aka BadBenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00686400413182985272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15014874.post-88302647102722349992007-10-09T11:53:00.000-05:002007-10-09T11:53:00.000-05:00great post, ben. your point about "anybody can ru...great post, ben. your point about "anybody can run a marathon" is spot on.nwgdchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15000663254776350045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15014874.post-73303831938600655152007-10-09T09:55:00.000-05:002007-10-09T09:55:00.000-05:00great post, Ben. I agree that race management jus...great post, Ben. I agree that race management just simply was not prepared, and the excuses they are giving are kind of ridiculous. <BR/><BR/>But on the other hand, Chicago does attract an awful lot of first-timers and newbies who, if prepared adequately, might have been able to handle the heat. I've never seen so many middle of the packers become back of the packers than I did on Sunday. The folks who were planning to be back of the packers really didn't have a chance, given the aid situation and the heat rising so quickly.mousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04922291432680567381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15014874.post-31318662871783032082007-10-09T07:02:00.000-05:002007-10-09T07:02:00.000-05:00It's terribly disappointing that the race wasn't m...It's terribly disappointing that the race wasn't more prepared. I was not happy to be told I couldn't go on when I got to the 16 mile mark. Why did my day have to suffer because the race wasn't prepared. I was denied the exhileration of the finish! <BR/><BR/>And shame on the RD for not admitting he failed us! Lots of angry folks out here looking for another Marathon...especially those that were trying to qualify for Boston. <BR/><BR/>Can you slap one together in two weeks???? ;)Lorahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00097449024776240679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15014874.post-3816514665149364052007-10-09T00:56:00.000-05:002007-10-09T00:56:00.000-05:00Sorry Ben, but only 50 people out of 36,000 were h...Sorry Ben, but only 50 people out of 36,000 were hospitalized. Yes, that's still too many, but it's only 1 out of every 720. If one person gets sick in your race every 5 years, you aren't doing any better. I've run in small ultras that have run out of water too. It's unfortunate, but it happens.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15014874.post-69633095977053788992007-10-08T18:21:00.000-05:002007-10-08T18:21:00.000-05:00In a way, I think us ultra runners actually have "...In a way, I think us ultra runners actually have "more common sense" than people give us credit for.<BR/>I was working our aid station, at mile 65, in the Burning River 100 race, in Cleveland, in August. You weren't going to reach this point unless you were prepared for the heat.Kimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00310860709666039413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15014874.post-64331436744027553662007-10-08T17:25:00.000-05:002007-10-08T17:25:00.000-05:00I am with you, my friend. WTF?I am with you, my friend. WTF?Olgahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00493291972954387932noreply@blogger.com